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I downvoted the post here, because I think it doesn’t belong into Linuxmemes.
But even though I disagree in some way, I upvoted the original post in c/Linux, because I think you spent quite some time writing it. I’ll discuss my thoughts with you in the other thread ✌️

Let me fight elitism with more elitism: when looking at a distro you only see the desktop environment and its defaults. You don’t even understand in what ways mint is different from windows because you probably don’t even interact with the deeper stuff. You only see the start menu and nothing else. You probably distrohop only for a different DE because you don’t know how to switch it without a full reinstall of a completely new OS. You probably don’t even understand in what other ways distros differ, so when looking for what you want to install you just look at the pretty little pictures instead of actually reading what the distro is about. You’re a distro elitist for the wrong reason and I hereby banish you from the distro elitism club

I wholeheartedly disagree with this. When I recommend say mint, I always talk about the variety of other linux desktops and about open source software. I also tell people that mint is a good start if you want to use less proprietary software, but I also tell people that there is much more to linux. If they want to stick with mint, thats their choice and fine.

However: what I disagree the most with is recommending Arch (or the likes) to a new user. Arch is not just fundamentally different than windows (just like the rest of linux) it also does not help the user at all and RTFM-elitists are just gonna scare people off.

Mint is a perfect gateway drug into linux FULLSTOP.

Exhibit a: me. I started on mint back in the day. Went to other ubuntu based distros and ended up using Arch as a daily driver. This post is a bullshit take written by a gatekeeper that fears to be less special when common users start using linux. (At least thats my hot take)

Edit: And I came here for memes honey

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In general and if you don’t know the person you’re making the recommendation to, agreed. But I know several people I’d definitely recommend (and have recommended) Arch to as the first distro. Even just the installation process is so educational, it’s a worthy starting point, after some general youtube videos perhaps. If someone just wants to take Linux for a quick test drive, Arch definitely isn’t the way to go.

Although, I’ll admit I’m not sure how to describe the type of people I’d recommend it to. If their interest is less practical, and more theoretical. Or if they get really into their hobbies and like to tinker and poke at things to see what happens. Or if they just have an endless curiosity and need to understand. Surprisingly many people I know fall into these categories.

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Thinly veiled elitism at its best.

No.

hot take: my dog stole my burrito after it came out the microwave

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That’s a terrible idea, and you sound like a stallmanite.

What feels like non-Windows-y to an experienced user will feel alien, often downright hostile to a new user. In such an encounter, they’re likely to go back to an OS that won’t gatekeep itself.

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Is Stallmanite an actual term?

Shadowy Palpatine: “I will make it a term.”

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I’ve seen other people use it, around the time of the libreboot controversy.

I’m going to be disappointed if you didn’t type this out on a command line.

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I started with ubuntu initially, and appreciate the fact that it wasnt entirely foreign to me coming from windows. Being a techy person, whenever something broke I obviously had to use the terminal to fix it (because all forum posts online use it for troubleshooting) but it was nice to ease into it. Once I got comfortable with that I then moved on to more non-windows like distributions, and eventually ended up where I am now - with arch and a tiling window manager - something entirely different to windows. If I had started with this Im not sure I would have stuck it out.

So my take on your take is that while you have valid points, we need to always take situations with context. Sure, I wouldn’t (and don’t) recommend super windows-like distros to the guys at my work (IT) who are more technically capable, but if my grandmother or grandfather used computers and for whatever reason we needed to make the switch to linux, I would try to make the transition as seamless and familiar as possible, so I might even have made their UI look like windows. Computers are tools at the end of the day, and every person has something different they want to get out of them.

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If you’re asking on a forum like this, then you presumably aren’t that interested in trying new and experimental ways of using your computer - you just want something that “works”.

Maybe it ends up being a gateway to further experimentation with UIs, or maybe you just want to stick with something that works for you. Either way is fine.

Let’s not gatekeep and say that to use Linux you have to fall in love with the open source and free software movement. It’s fine to use Linux because you don’t want Windows’ tracking or it’s 2025 and you don’t have a TPM. It’s fine to want something that’s similar to what you’re used to.

I personally think UI design peaked with Gnome 2 and everything since then has been trying too hard to be different.

Also… What makes a look and feel “proprietary” and “closed source”? Like, they don’t block other people from copying it.

When I have a friend or family member who wants to try linux, I sit them down with a bunch of live USBs and we try out a variety of different distros. I definitely let them try the usual suspects, mint, a small selection of buntus, but also a flavour or two of Arch, and a couple of Fedora. Surprisingly they (there’s only been 5, so like 3/5) usually go for not mint or buntu.

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Where is meme?

Meme is the distros we tried along the way.

How dare you! Hannah Montana Linux is serious business.

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I use Arch btw


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